that combination of media and somebody they can identify as the enemy, somebody like barack obama. it has driven them into a small corner. literally like howard said, they're only able to communicate with each other. >> i don't think we've seen anything in america since fdr where the republicans hated him, just hated him. >> by the way, the tone within that group on the gun debate exemplifies this. it's very angry, it's very scared, and if you go on the nra website, for example, they claim to be speaking for this lost sector that joy is talking about. and they're trying to tie defense of gun rights into it which i think is a dangerous thing and it sounds pretty scary, actually. >> look at these numbers, howard and joy. take a look. republicans won five of the six presidential elections from 1968 through '88. during that time, the gop average, look at these numbers, 417 electoral votes in the elections, down to the democrats, 113. they beat the democrats on average by more than 300 electoral votes during that heyday. in the next six elections from '92 through last year the republica